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Old 07-16-2007, 08:10 AM
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...help is appreciated! Thanks!? We purchased a dog from a guy a couple of weeks ago. He is a breeder, he breeds dobermans, min-pins, and german shepards. We were told that the puppy we purchased was 12 weeks old, and was considered a family pet, and was wonderful for children. Being new at the dog buying experience, we really thought that a breeder would give us honest information, and being he had been doing this for over 30 years, we chose to believe him. Well, I feel completely mislead. We got the dog home, and she was "okay" with the family the first 2 days. After that, she seemed really skiddish, and she would growl and snarl at my husband and me anytime we'd go near her. We tried and tried to gain this dog's trust, and she starts SNAPPING at us! My daughter was on the couch with me one night, she came up to my daughter, growled, and bit her on the cheek, and my daughter didn't even touch the dog. I will continue below, I am out of room! Please read the rest of the story!
We got the papers in from AKC and the breeder apparently lied to us about her age. This dog is 5 months old, not 12 weeks like we were told. He told us she was fed only IAMS or Eukanuba dog food. We have tried several different kinds - IAMS puppy, IAMS toy dog food, Eukanuba puppy, Eukanuba toy dog food, she won't eat it. She'll eat treats, but not the dog food. But when we eat, she sits under the table sniffing like he gave her table food and just didn't tell us? Yesterday, my husband finally was able to get the dog to come up to him. When he went to pick her up, she bit him, and took off to a corner and growled everytime we'd walk within 10 feet of the corner. We wanted a family dog. This dog is not a family dog. We contacted the breeder tonight, and he cursed my husband out on the phone! My husband told him everything I just described to you all, and the guy started saying maybe we just didn't know how to take care of a dog, did we think maybe she had a toothache, outta room again!
We were like, no we took her to the vet when we were actually able to CATCH her, and she checked out fine. Then he started saying it was probably because she needed her heartgard and rabies shot. Okay, um, I thought the pup was 12 weeks, right? So I told the vet she was 12 weeks. They told me they don't give heartgard and the rabies shot until pups are around 4-5 months. He said that was Bullsh*t, we were F*cking liars, we didn't even take her to the vet, yadda yadda. Why would I lie about what the vet said?! All we wanted to know was why did he tell us she was 2 months younger than she actually ended up being on the papers, and why the dog would be acting so skiddish around us and biting us when he said what a wonderful family dog she was. We were going to see if he'd give us a partial refund like some breeders offer. The phone call ended with him telling my husband to shove his phone up his @ss. VERY unprofessional. What should I do? Can you report breeders to someone?
A couple of you have asked about which breed - My apologies for not mentioning, I thought I had that in there. We ended up getting a min-pin. I was scared to get anything bigger from him, and I am glad that I didn't!

About the backyard breeder thing: What exactly does that mean? This guy no lie had around 20 dobermans in a fenced in area on the side of his property, they were all going nuts when we walked up to the porch. And then on the other side, he had a ton of puppies, I am guessing they were dobermans? (They still had floppy ears and tails, and looked to be a few months, so I am not sure) The pup we got, well I never did see any other min-pins. We wanted a female, and he claimed that his daughter fell in love with the others, so that was the only female for sale. I never saw the parents, but he told me he got them from Europe. We thought she'd be a nice little family dog because he was saying how they were the #1 house pets in Europe and things like that. Probably all BS!


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Old 07-16-2007, 08:16 AM
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Contact the AKC. Here is the link. They can help you.

http://www.akc.org/contact/answer_center/faq_resolveconflict.cfm

I have also starred your question because I have contacts who are much more knowledgeable about Shepherds and Dobermans and behavioral issues than I am. I am sure they can offer better help!
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Old 07-16-2007, 08:59 AM
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He is a very bad breeder. He SAYS he has been doing that for 30 years but who knows. And it really doesn't matter. Many people can be breeders but it take more to be a good and true breeder. Dogs breed themselves. It sounds like he's in it to make money and doesn't care too much about the condition of the dog. Whenever you buy from someone or a breeder, always get something on paper-some type of agreement. I breed papillons and I do rescue. EVERY dog that goes out goes out under a contract to protect me, the dog, AND the purchaser/adopter. Also, don't be afraid to ask for references. I understand that you were new to this but just take it as a learning experience. It's sad that this guy is so irresponsible and calls himself a breeder. Also, one thing about Min Pins, is they are somewhat skiddish dogs, esp. in the beginning. However, the fact that the dog growls, bites, and only seems to want human food is a sign that the dog may have been abused, neglected, and fed a bad diet. I am also a pet nutrition specialist and that dog needs to be on GOOD dog food. I think it's crazy that he would say that maybe the dog is acting up because it may have a toothache. What's even more ridiculous is that he said maybe it just needs his shots and heartworm prevention. All those things have NOTHING to do with how the puppy acts. That makes no sense. He is just a bad uneducated breeder. Also, if the dog is 5 months instead of 3 months and he gave you papers, that means that those papers really didnt belong to that dog in the first place. He can really get into some big trouble with AKC. If you think it's worth it, you can always take him to a small claims court. I don't know how much you paid for the dog, but I hope not much. You can always try to adopt the dog out and claim at least some of your money, but be sure to be honest with the people who will adopt it. By all means, don't return the dog to him! Some dogs don't do well in families. I rescued a dog recently that did better when I adopted her out to only 1 person. If you need anymore advice, feel free to contact me.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:59 AM
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Yes, you can call the number that's on the back of the papers. Its in very small writing, or you can write them too. The address will be on your papers, they have to have them on it so you can send them in to change the breeder to the new owner.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:10 PM
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Wow and wow again. I am so sorry you fell into such a pit of lies and dishonesty with this unrepeatable person.
NO really reputable breeder would do the things you have written about here.
This dog is genetically tainted and not worth the money you paid for it. The kind of agression can only come from very bad breeding and possible even abuse and undersoclization. Holy cow I'm quite stunned!
He sold you a really good line of lies and then a really bad dog to boot.
I cant say much more than what the others have already said but that I'm so very sorry your first dog experience was so horrid!
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